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Post by lapniappe on May 17, 2003 12:03:45 GMT -5
Bob Gainey is unlikey to stay with the Dallas Stars this summer, and and though the oppertunity arises to remain in hockey, he will take a job out of hockey for the first time in 30 years if or when that oppertunity arises.
News-flash to Peddie.
Perfect timing.
Here is the GM that has the balls to do a trade, and doesn't give a flying birdie about the consequences, as long as it benefits the team towards the goal
the Stanley Cup.
A GM that could thrive in pressure packed Toronto as he played for more pressure packed Montreal.
A GM who would be above and beyond Mr. Patrick Quinn.
come on Peddie, go for it! And think; it won't cost us anything but a contract!
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Post by Gerard on May 17, 2003 14:30:25 GMT -5
I wonder if the top brass would still run it by Q. Gainey seems to be the man on many people's list. So many can't be that wrong can they?? ;D
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Post by thinkblue on May 17, 2003 15:39:07 GMT -5
I dont know, I get the impression that Gainey is over-rated. He came to a dallas team that wasnt bad, he was responsibile for the fat contracts of audette and turgeon, bringing in Lumme.... I think Id' prefer a younger GM like Tambellini.
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Post by Leafs_Pam on May 17, 2003 17:40:39 GMT -5
I dont know, I get the impression that Gainey is over-rated. He came to a dallas team that wasnt bad, he was responsibile for the fat contracts of audette and turgeon, bringing in Lumme.... I think Id' prefer a younger GM like Tambellini. If Tambellini is the Quinn puppet I have heard he is, then bringing in Tambellini as GM would be a BIG mistake. If he is a Quinn Puppet, the GM name would be different but it would still be the same name, Quinn, running it. I don't want the Leafs to take a chance like that. It would be more of the same old, same old and we would be faced with probably 5 more years of Leafs that just can't make the grade. I would rather take the chance with someone like Gainey that I know isn't a Quinn Puppet. |
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Post by lapniappe on May 17, 2003 17:51:34 GMT -5
If Tambellini is the Quinn puppet I have heard he is, then bringing in Tambellini as GM would be a BIG mistake. If he is a Quinn Puppet, the GM name would be different but it would still be the same name, Quinn, running it. I don't want the Leafs to take a chance like that. It would be more of the same old, same old and we would be faced with probably 5 more years of Leafs that just can't make the grade. I would rather take the chance with someone like Gainey that I know isn't a Quinn Puppet. exactly. though i don't think Tambellini would be a puppet. but exactly; bring in someone new. if that's Gainey, fine, if that's someone else, non puppet-like, fine, but just some new blood. only in Leafland, the coach outlives the players. |
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Post by TOMGUNNER on May 17, 2003 17:52:55 GMT -5
Bring in "Air Bud" for all I care...he'd do a better job then Quinn!
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Post by lapniappe on May 17, 2003 18:03:50 GMT -5
Bring in "Air Bud" for all I care...he'd do a better job then Quinn! Air Bud? is that the Dog or the Monkey? |
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Post by TOMGUNNER on May 17, 2003 18:08:23 GMT -5
The Basketball playing Golden Ret. from the Disney movies ;D
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Post by thinkblue on May 17, 2003 18:09:53 GMT -5
If Tambellini is the Quinn puppet I have heard he is, then bringing in Tambellini as GM would be a BIG mistake. If he is a Quinn Puppet, the GM name would be different but it would still be the same name, Quinn, running it. I don't want the Leafs to take a chance like that. It would be more of the same old, same old and we would be faced with probably 5 more years of Leafs that just can't make the grade. I would rather take the chance with someone like Gainey that I know isn't a Quinn Puppet. True enough, but is that better than a coach and Gm not getting along? Either way, it is highly doubtful that Quinn remains with this team after his contract expires unless we make it to the finals or win a cup. I just think the future of this team should be taken into consideration in any move we make, and long term, I like the prospect of Tambellini (who has worked in a very successful vancouver environment) over Gainey ... lets be honest, do you think Tambellini (a would be rookie GM) running the show all by himself in a cup hungry market with little support around him would be good? Having Quinn around to give advice, provide insight into any GM moves might not be such a bad idea; that, after all was the original idea, for an Asst. GM to be groomed for the GM job. If Gainey and Quinn dont get along, I dont know, I would imagine even more controversy surrounding the Leafs management team than there is now. |
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Post by Leafs_Pam on May 17, 2003 18:16:39 GMT -5
Having Quinn around to give advice, provide insight into any GM moves might not be such a bad idea; that, after all was the original idea, for an Asst. GM to be groomed for the GM job. The problem with Quinn giving the new GM (if Tambellini) advice would be bad. Bad because he would be giving Tambellini the same bad advice he used for himself so Tambellini would make the same bad mistakes Quinn did. Tambellini would do better to ignore any advice Quinn gave him. |
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Post by thinkblue on May 18, 2003 0:33:47 GMT -5
The problem with Quinn giving the new GM (if Tambellini) advice would be bad. Bad because he would be giving Tambellini the same bad advice he used for himself so Tambellini would make the same bad mistakes Quinn did. Tambellini would do better to ignore any advice Quinn gave him. Well I don't think Tambellini is a stupid man. He's worked under Burke, who by all accounts stresses good "character" in Vancouver players. Tambellini transferred this trait into building Team Canada. I think he'd probably take any advice under consideration, but Im sure the final word would be his. I think Vancouver has one of the best management teams in the League, especially with their financial resources , or lack thereof. That certainly helps Tambellini's cause. |
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Post by freshwind on May 18, 2003 7:40:35 GMT -5
It is with great interest that I see so many people drooling over Gainey. What are his real accomplishments? He took over a pretty good team in Minnesota, and ran it for 12 years(approx).
He won 1 Cup. His team has missed the playoffs.
He signed some ridiculous contracts as already mentioned, including the one we inherited with Lumme.Quinn has had control of this franchise for 4 years and we all seem to be leaning towards wanting him replaced. Why Gainey?
Now let's look at Tambellini's resume.
GM of 2 teams at the worlds (97 and 03), 2 golds.
Assistant gm at the 02 Olympics, gold.
Assistant gm in Vancouver, a lower budget team that has done well.
He is "arguably" one of the rising young executives in the league.
If we are intent at taking just one shot at it, just leave Q there for a year until the cba gets straightened out. If you are looking at continually upgrading your organization, Tambellini may be the man. The new gm will undoubtedly be here long after Q is gone. We need to look at stability. Stability wins championships. The 4 teams that are left have no less than 8 or 9 players who have been with their teams for over 4 years. The last 6 winners generally have 10 or so long term guys.
Us, we have 4! Sundin, Domi, Hoglund and Kaberle. I do not believe there are any more, and outside of Sundin and Kabby, no one else could be considered core.
If there is one thing I WILL credit Q and Dryden for, it is the attempt to bring some stability to this franchise. We are not there yet, but to blow it up and start all over would be wrong. The right decisions this summer can give us a legitimate shot next year, but those decisions need to be made soon, so that this team has a chance to grow towards what they need to be next year.
Coax Svehla and Wesley back, both are doable in my view. Sign Devries and Klee for the back end. Play Poni regularly, sign Marchant and possibly McCarty up front and this team has a chance to succeed as much as anyone in the league.
On D we would have :
Kaberle
McCabe
Wesley
Svehla
Devries
Klee
(Berg/Pilar)
Berg and Pilar can spell the older guys on a regular basis so they don't burn out, and are ready in case of injury.
Up front the "locked guys are:
Sundin
Mogilny
Antropov
Nolan
Roberts
McCarty
Marchant
Fitzgerald
Poni
We now need 4 more forwards, and a spare, 5 in total, who do we have to pick from?
Renberg
Reichel
Domi
Green
Belak
Healey
Tucker
If Hedin looks good in camp, and can be a #6 dman, it allows us to consider trading either a Kabby or a McCabe to get another speedy forward. This team is not in that bad of a situation, but it will take a little gumption to move to the next level, Tambellini would only take this job if he were to have the inclination that he would have enough control to do the job, he'll get that chance either here, or somewhere else.
It has been widely speculated that when he signed his last contract in Vancouver he has a clause that he can leave to assume a gm position with NO compensation required. That is pretty standard for someone in his position, although he probably has time limits in there, like he can't leave until AFTER the draft.
Tambellini for me, WAY before Gainey.
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Post by lapniappe on May 18, 2003 9:28:49 GMT -5
It is with great interest that I see so many people drooling over Gainey. because silly billy, he's better then Quinn.  one cup vs. 0 cups. but that those bloated contracts are a cause of concern. GM of 2 teams at the worlds (97 and 03), 2 golds. Assistant gm at the 02 Olympics, gold. Assistant gm in Vancouver, a lower budget team that has done well. hmm....you've got a point here too. FW If we are intent at taking just one shot at it, just leave Q there for a year until the cba gets straightened out. If you are looking at continually upgrading your organization, Tambellini may be the man. The new gm will undoubtedly be here long after Q is gone. We need to look at stability. Stability wins championships. The 4 teams that are left have no less than 8 or 9 players who have been with their teams for over 4 years. The last 6 winners generally have 10 or so long term guys. Us, we have 4! Sundin, Domi, Hoglund and Kaberle. I do not believe there are any more, and outside of Sundin and Kabby, no one else could be considered core. If there is one thing I WILL credit Q and Dryden for, it is the attempt to bring some stability to this franchise. We are not there yet, but to blow it up and start all over would be wrong. The right decisions this summer can give us a legitimate shot next year, but those decisions need to be made soon, so that this team has a chance to grow towards what they need to be next year. Coax Svehla and Wesley back, both are doable in my view. Sign Devries and Klee for the back end. Play Poni regularly, sign Marchant and possibly McCarty up front and this team has a chance to succeed as much as anyone in the league. On D we would have : Kaberle McCabe Wesley Svehla Devries Klee (Berg/Pilar) Berg and Pilar can spell the older guys on a regular basis so they don't burn out, and are ready in case of injury. Up front the "locked guys are: Sundin Mogilny Antropov Nolan Roberts McCarty Marchant Fitzgerald Poni We now need 4 more forwards, and a spare, 5 in total, who do we have to pick from? Renberg Reichel Domi Green Belak Healey Tucker If Hedin looks good in camp, and can be a #6 dman, it allows us to consider trading either a Kabby or a McCabe to get another speedy forward. This team is not in that bad of a situation, but it will take a little gumption to move to the next level, Tambellini would only take this job if he were to have the inclination that he would have enough control to do the job, he'll get that chance either here, or somewhere else. It has been widely speculated that when he signed his last contract in Vancouver he has a clause that he can leave to assume a gm position with NO compensation required. That is pretty standard for someone in his position, although he probably has time limits in there, like he can't leave until AFTER the draft. Tambellini for me, WAY before Gainey. okay, I now change my vote. LOL I like Tambellini too. (that wasn't so hard lol) Okay. the chances of Pilar playing in the next two years is slim, next year, one short of a miracle, with his heart being so weak. If he does exactly what the doctors (his and MLSE's), say, there's a chance he could play after christmas. Renberg isn't coming back (proably) because of his "Daughter" (but truth of the matter is he was super ticked of the lack of ice time in the playoffs; he said so in a sweddish newspaper). though he might come back. Wesley will come back for a third year, why not just give it to him? Mogliny will probably retire after this year anyway (i think the end of his contract, I do believe), so you have 9 million for Mats, 6.5 million for Owen, and ?? for Wesley. I see NO problem building your team around these guys. Quinn was pretty smart having all contracts end around this time or next year. McCartey would be great to have in blue and white, even though he's a fighter and not a goal scorer. He's got 3 rings (or at least 1), and he knows what to do when he gets there, plus he's a clutch scorer (5 goals (3 part of a hat trick), 2 of those were GWG). and he's more solid then Belak that's for sure, but he can also aid Belak. Hedin? is that that disgruntled defenseman playing in Sweden? (or some country near there)? Or is he another Hedin? If truth be known, I'd rather keep Kaberle before McCabe. Kaberle can be pretty "McCabe like" when he wants to/needs to be, and can do it without the needless penlety. McCabe shoots his mouth way too much, but could be needed without a shadow of a doubt, becuase of his good year last year. I agree with you of go really hard with marchant (pretty young), and deVries (cup ring defenseman). if we can get tambellini, I say go for it. as much as Quinn brought Stablility, he's also running it down to the ground right now. the Leafs did their best "Philidelphia" impersionation, and he still gets to stay. that alone should get rid of Quinn, and move in a new direction at least as GM. |
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Post by NorthernDancer on May 18, 2003 10:05:58 GMT -5
It is with great interest that I see so many people drooling over Gainey. What are his real accomplishments? He took over a pretty good team in Minnesota, and ran it for 12 years(approx). He won 1 Cup. His team has missed the playoffs. He signed some ridiculous contracts as already mentioned, including the one we inherited with Lumme.Quinn has had control of this franchise for 4 years and we all seem to be leaning towards wanting him replaced. Why Gainey? Now let's look at Tambellini's resume. GM of 2 teams at the worlds (97 and 03), 2 golds. Assistant gm at the 02 Olympics, gold. Assistant gm in Vancouver, a lower budget team that has done well. He is "arguably" one of the rising young executives in the league. If we are intent at taking just one shot at it, just leave Q there for a year until the cba gets straightened out. If you are looking at continually upgrading your organization, Tambellini may be the man. The new gm will undoubtedly be here long after Q is gone. We need to look at stability. Stability wins championshipsIf there is one thing I WILL credit Q and Dryden for, it is the attempt to bring some stability to this franchise. We are not there yet, but to blow it up and start all over would be wrong. The right decisions this summer can give us a legitimate shot next year, but those decisions need to be made soon, so that this team has a chance to grow towards what they need to be next year. Freshwind, what a breath of fresh air. I could not agree with you more. Gainey is so over-rated and Dryden/Quinn have NOT done that bad of a job. I am as disappointed as everyone with this year but I don't think a housecleaning of the management team accomplishes anything in the short or long-term. A team of Dryden/Quinn/Tambellini etc. works for me altho I think Dryden is done and I think that is a loss for the organization but not earth-shattering. |
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Post by thinkblue on May 18, 2003 14:03:23 GMT -5
Brian Burke also said earlier this year that he expects both his Asst. Gms to get jobs elsewhere for this upcoming season, or soon...Nonis and Tambellini. Nonis was up for the Sharks GM job and Im sure he will get other opportunities. Tambellini's resume speaks for itself.
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