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Post by thinkblue on Jun 30, 2003 21:15:47 GMT -5
According to the SCORE., Wesley and the Leafs will not reach an agreement in the next couple of hours. He will be a UFA. A lot of Leafs fans had penciled him in for next year, since they heard Wesley was willing to negotiate with the Leafs.
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Post by NorthernDancer on Jul 1, 2003 7:36:51 GMT -5
The NHL must do something about players who say they are retiring. Leafs are screwed on this one, it is similiar to the Hasek/Cujo fiasco. Svhela has not signed his retirement papers so Leafs had to exercise there option at 4 million per to retain his rights. If the Leafs sign Wesley, de Vries or Hatcher or whoever then Svhela says he is coming back, we will then have a Cujo situation. We got royally screwed by Berard a few years ago and this retiring thing then making come-backs is really crippling teams. It should be if a player retires he remains the property of the team he was under contract for indefinately with no roster implications.
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Post by freshwind on Jul 1, 2003 7:43:35 GMT -5
Agreed. The Leafs have apparently approached the league about this already. They are asking for some kind of an exemption. Not sure of the legal ramifications, and what they mean. There should be a cutoff date for the players. It is difficult to enforce though, as any player can retire at any time. I really don't think this situation is as bad as the Berard one though, because he was "injured" at the time. If the Leafs qualified him, they would have had to pay him whether he played or not. At least if Svehla decides to come back, we have an asset that can be used in a trade, whether him, or someone else.
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Post by NorthernDancer on Jul 1, 2003 9:16:13 GMT -5
Both Berard and Svhela are similiar because it is a potential budget liability and ties up a roster spot. The budget part is manageable but tying up a roster spot is not. I think given the Hasek/Svhela dilema the days of NHL teams giving players options on contracts is OVER.
The NHLPA continues to shoot itself in the foot by not insisting that players actually live up to contractual obligations. By that I mean if Svhela announces he is retiring that means he signs his retirement papers and doesn't leave the Leafs snookered. Retirement should be a cherished, honourable, and sought after opportunity NOT a negiotiating ploy nor a poorly thought out respite that benefits the players. Of course we are talking Goodenough and the NHLPA so all reasonable thought flies out the window.
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Post by lapniappe on Jul 1, 2003 9:19:22 GMT -5
they should get rid of the no-trade clause too
too many times people get finagled into giving one, and then when they aren't producing, and the team can get something to help them, and potentially help the player in question, they just go "well, i'm not revoking my clause".
get rid of that, and sign papers.
if i was quinn, i'd make svhela sign those papers. cut him loose.
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jul 1, 2003 9:31:26 GMT -5
Of course we are talking Goodenough and the NHLPA so all reasonable thought flies out the window. ND, as far as I am concerned, that sentence says it all. |
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Post by lapniappe on Jul 1, 2003 9:35:15 GMT -5
what do you all mean?
goodenow isn't a reasonable person?
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Post by Rusty on Jul 1, 2003 11:19:58 GMT -5
Something must be done, it seems that the inmates are the ones running the asylum, why a player can just sit there waffling about retirement baffles the mind, imho if a player all of a sudden walks away from a team claiming he is going to take his money and family back to the old country then good riddance, but if he or any other team wants to employ him then sorry you have to work something out with his last team.
Now that that thing wants to come back out of retirement to come back to Detroit I say sorry bud you yapped for years about going back to the old country because your kids were losing their heritage and you wanted them to grow up there, now you want to come back to upset the apple cart? no way José
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Post by lapniappe on Jul 1, 2003 11:25:58 GMT -5
Something must be done, it seems that the inmates are the ones running the asylum, why a player can just sit there waffling about retirement baffles the mind, imho if a player all of a sudden walks away from a team claiming he is going to take his money and family back to the old country then good riddance, but if he or any other team wants to employ him then sorry you have to work something out with his last team. Now that that thing wants to come back out of retirement to come back to Detroit I say sorry bud you yapped for years about going back to the old country because your kids were losing their heritage and you wanted them to grow up there, now you want to come back to upset the apple cart? no way José LOL that thing rusty? that thing, being Hasek? trust me, if he wasn't facing criminal charges and suspended from his inline hockey league for a year because he was trying to kill some guy for checking him (cleanly i might add), this wouldn't even be an issue. |
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Post by TOMGUNNER on Jul 1, 2003 11:27:56 GMT -5
Hey now, sounds like Hasek is more physical then the Leafs blue-line was last season  |
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Post by Rusty on Jul 1, 2003 11:34:20 GMT -5
Ahhh but Lap the NHL has a habit of turning a blind eye when it suits their needs, bringing that thing back would in their humble opinion bring back some lost neilson points as they're viewership is going down hill and bringing in a Stone Cold Steve Austin type would be a good thing in their books.
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Post by TOMGUNNER on Jul 1, 2003 11:38:01 GMT -5
Now now, Stone Cold Steve Austin would make a GREAT hockey player. ;D Just imagine ( for you wrestling fans ), Austin skating down the ice, everytime someone steals the puck from him.... Stunner!!! Stunner!!! Sorry, I'm in a goofy mood today ;D |
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jul 1, 2003 19:58:43 GMT -5
imho if a player all of a sudden walks away from a team claiming he is going to take his money and family back to the old country then good riddance, but if he or any other team wants to employ him then sorry you have to work something out with his last team. Now that that thing wants to come back out of retirement to come back to Detroit I say sorry bud you yapped for years about going back to the old country because your kids were losing their heritage and you wanted them to grow up there, now you want to come back to upset the apple cart? no way José I'm with you on that one, Rusty. Thank you!! Every since Hasek announced he was going home because of his kids losing their heritage, I'm the only one who has harped on that. I'm glad to finally see someone else make a comment on that. IMHO, Hasek was using that as a ploy to get more money. IMHO, if he really was that concerned about his kids heritage he would have gone home, and not come back ever. trust me, if he wasn't facing criminal charges and suspended from his inline hockey league for a year because he was trying to kill some guy for checking him (cleanly i might add), this wouldn't even be an issue. Yeah, that was one of my first thoughts too. All of a sudden home isn't that important. What about his kids? Ahhh but Lap the NHL has a habit of turning a blind eye when it suits their needs Boy, isn't that the truth!!!! Sorry, I'm in a goofy mood today ;D LOL!! Well that's better than me pissing you off with my 'speculations.' ;D |
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Post by Gerard on Jul 2, 2003 7:37:57 GMT -5
slam.canoe.ca/Slam030701/nhl_tor-sun.htmlHere we go again (and prob. not for the last time). We'll see MANY names the next little while and more than enough to fill our roster. The odds are for us to sign some lesser names but how knows anything any more!! ;D
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