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Post by bwforever on Sept 3, 2019 12:08:12 GMT -5
Lets try to keep the leafs out of this discussion, as we all have our blue colored sunglasses and biased opinions of our own talent.
Lets look instead at Boston and Charley Mccavoy. If the Ekland rumor is true, the Bruins are about to sign MCcavoy long term, and trade Brandan Carlo because of it.
Bruins have ~ 7 mil in cap space to play with. Is McCavoy worth that much? Is he good enough to warrant losing a player like Brandan Carlo?
It the good ole days , the superstars set the salary bar and everyone else seemed to get a % of those numbers. In a cap world that age old formula doesn't work.
There has to be a gap between the superstars and the good players. I think you almost have to look at a player in terms of deviation from the mean.
I.e. if the cap is 80 million then the average salary is ~3.5 million. So is Charley McCavoy 2x the average player? I can maybe argue as a top 4 dman he is above average, but not 2x better than the average dman in the league. That's a big maybe.
So why are the owners allowing these guys to command such big salaries? I think in terms of real value as compared to the average, the Bruins should be able to easily sign both McCavoy and Carlo with 7 million in cap space.
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Sept 3, 2019 13:13:58 GMT -5
I.e. if the cap is 80 million then the average salary is ~3.5 million. So is Charley McCavoy 2x the average player? I can maybe argue as a top 4 dman he is above average, but not 2x better than the average dman in the league. That's a big maybe. So why are the owners allowing these guys to command such big salaries? I've been wondering that very thing this entire off season. It reminds me of the pre cap days when ridiculous salaries were being given to players. I still don't think Marner is worth more than $8.5m-$9m (or that AM is worth $11.6m or, that Nylander is worth $6.9m) at this point in their career(s). |
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Post by capncrunch44 on Sept 3, 2019 15:11:49 GMT -5
Lets try to keep the leafs out of this discussion, as we all have our blue colored sunglasses and biased opinions of our own talent. Lets look instead at Boston and Charley Mccavoy. If the Ekland rumor is true, the Bruins are about to sign MCcavoy long term, and trade Brandan Carlo because of it. Bruins have ~ 7 mil in cap space to play with. Is McCavoy worth that much? Is he good enough to warrant losing a player like Brandan Carlo? It the good ole days , the superstars set the salary bar and everyone else seemed to get a % of those numbers. In a cap world that age old formula doesn't work. There has to be a gap between the superstars and the good players. I think you almost have to look at a player in terms of deviation from the mean. I.e. if the cap is 80 million then the average salary is ~3.5 million. So is Charley McCavoy 2x the average player? I can maybe argue as a top 4 dman he is above average, but not 2x better than the average dman in the league. That's a big maybe. So why are the owners allowing these guys to command such big salaries? I think in terms of real value as compared to the average, the Bruins should be able to easily sign both McCavoy and Carlo with 7 million in cap space.
That is a very good question. I assume it has more to do with the belief that the players will capitulate again during the next CBA lockout as the owners look to claw-back some of that average salary. But they also hurt themselves by signing "lockout proof" contracts to their star players. The only players losing money in a lockout is the average and fringe player. Jonathan Toews can talk all he wants, but he's getting paid during a lockout. What do guys like Freddie Gauthier and other 3rd and 4th liners who signed their contracts in good faith at a favourable cap hit while stars and "wannabe" stars demand 3 or 4 or 5x more with heavy bonuses to still be paid during a workstoppage. I think the owners are hoping for mutiny within the players union ranks. I really doubt it's all for one and one for all when we look at RFA's who are holding out for both dollars and term.
The cap was a success in creating some form of parity among the 31 teams but the cost of that is veteran players no longer playing much into their 30's in exchange for low cost entry level contracts. Paying a veteran has become no longer cost effective and that rookie contract can be moved up and down between the minors. The owners have messed up the NHL, again.
$80 million cap/21 players equals your $3.5-3.8 salary ... someone makes more, then someone has to make less. I think the max percentage of the salary cap needs to come down. What is it now, 16%? Make it 10% ... at $80 million cap, no one makes more than $8 million. Then work on the revenue sharing to better reflect a players share to be equal and not reflective of their percentage share in the cap.
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Post by bwforever on Sept 3, 2019 15:36:10 GMT -5
When I see guys like Brendan Carlo getting pushed out of Boston; A team that I think has been very shrewd at cap management with their star players; it makes me start to see that the league talent is getting decimated. Sure there may be parody but I think a lot of that parody is coming from 15 players on each team that may not even be in the league if not for teams compensating the huge $ getting paid for the top 5-8 players.
I wonder if the league could come up with some sort of bonus system. Like every player gets max 2 mil each. Then the 1.2 billion left (40 mil per team) comes as end of year bonus clauses on a sliding scale for the top 250 of the 690 players in the league. McDavid would probably make more than his 13 while a guy like Charley MCavoy would not be getting 7-8 mil per year. Closer to the 3.5 he deserves.
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Post by leafer on Oct 5, 2019 6:56:31 GMT -5
That doesn't really work in my mind. Then the game could become about more than winning or losing. I could see Marchand doing something stupid to a player near his performance level in order to be able to move up the scale. Or other players.
Then you also don't have players happy to rest or play less towards the end of the season.
I wonder if they could do an age thing, where the cap hit counts less for players over 30. Maybe like a 50% cap...but only deals they signed while in their 30s. Then a vet at 2 million is the same or closer to an entry level deal.
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Post by bwforever on Oct 5, 2019 7:04:01 GMT -5
My example didn't work anyway. Turns out it was only Toronto giving out stupid $.
McCavoy signed for 4.9aav and so Boston we're also able to keep Carlo at 2.85aav
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