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Post by kazzie on Jan 9, 2024 8:23:34 GMT -5
I'm with you Tman I would much prefer to see Marner traded rather than just walking away from him. John Tavares with be turning 35 after next season and at that age I would think it's time to move on from John Tavares and put the money to a better use. Leafs won’t walk away from Tavares I don’t think. It would be pretty classless to just give him the flick. If he wants to retire a Leaf sign a cheap deal, let Matthews be Captain and give JT an A. Of all the core 4 JT would be the most likely one to sign a hometown deal. Keeping Marner will depend a lot on what Tavares does. I think Tavares, knowing that his career is winding down after next year, will take a hometown friendly deal and I think they will treat him right. As TMan said I agree that that would be pretty classless just giving him a flick. I’m not so sure what is going to happen with Marner. He hasn’t given me any inkling that he would do that. Tre has his work cut out for him going forward.
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 9, 2024 9:17:47 GMT -5
Speaking of Marner, we're starting to hear early reports of what he is looking for in his new contract. As per leafs podcaster Nick Alberga " The discussion is still months away, but by the sounds of it, I’m hearing the Marner camp has its sights set on something well north of $11.5 million per season."
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 9, 2024 9:52:07 GMT -5
Leafs won’t walk away from Tavares I don’t think. It would be pretty classless to just give him the flick. If he wants to retire a Leaf sign a cheap deal, let Matthews be Captain and give JT an A. Of all the core 4 JT would be the most likely one to sign a hometown deal. Keeping Marner will depend a lot on what Tavares does. I think Tavares, knowing that his career is winding down after next year, will take a hometown friendly deal and I think they will treat him right. As TMan said I agree that that would be pretty classless just giving him a flick. I’m not so sure what is going to happen with Marner. He hasn’t given me any inkling that he would do that. Tre has his work cut out for him going forward. Ok for those who think not resigning John Tavares is Classless the early reports on Tavares are he is looking for a new contract in the 7 million dollar range I not sure for how many years. 7 Million for 35 year old forward with diminishing skills, I not sure how much of a hometown that would be.
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Post by TMan on Jan 9, 2024 10:56:32 GMT -5
This might be where BT has a little leverage. JT will not be a 7 mil$ player at the end of his current deal. Trim a couple mil off that on a 2 year deal that takes him into retirement. Give him a good send off. He’s been a good Captain and while his current contract has hampered the team it’s not his fault that Dubas dished out that kind of money. I think Matthews is ready to take on the role of Captain.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 9, 2024 11:04:15 GMT -5
Its crazy how fast you change gears on other contracts eh? Ive always thought Mitch felt he was second only to 34 so asking for 12+ is exactly what I was expecting though nobody really knows for sure. I do believe hes gonna be wanting the NMC as well and will use Nylander as the comparison point. No brainer really.
As for JT the term might be the issue here. Hes still around a point/game and works hard every night so I dont really have an issue with 7M though, obviously, i'd prefer a bit less. If hes looking for north of 3 years im not budging bc he will be 35 when the new deal kicks.
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Post by kazzie on Jan 9, 2024 11:18:37 GMT -5
I think Tavares, knowing that his career is winding down after next year, will take a hometown friendly deal and I think they will treat him right. As TMan said I agree that that would be pretty classless just giving him a flick. I’m not so sure what is going to happen with Marner. He hasn’t given me any inkling that he would do that. Tre has his work cut out for him going forward. Ok for those who think not resigning John Tavares is Classless the early reports on Tavares are he is looking for a new contract in the 7 million dollar range I not sure for how many years. 7 Million for 35 year old forward with diminishing skills, I not sure how much of a hometown that would be. $7 million is too much IMO. 2 years @ $5 million is what I’m thinking.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 9, 2024 11:31:55 GMT -5
This might be where BT has a little leverage. JT will not be a 7 mil$ player at the end of his current deal. Trim a couple mil off that on a 2 year deal that takes him into retirement. Give him a good send off. He’s been a good Captain and while his current contract has hampered the team it’s not his fault that Dubas dished out that kind of money. I think Matthews is ready to take on the role of Captain. I would love 5M but for 3 years. Anything less on term, esp. with less money, could be seen as an insult. If you offer him just 2 years you might as well cut him loose after next year and be done with it. I think hes still a very good player though far from flashy as we know. I think Rielly will automatically get the C. I know Matthews is the face of the franchise, and will def. sell more jerseys, but 44 has been the steady A for years now and is the senior guy. Dont get me wrong, i'd love 34 to get it as he drives this team every night, but I wonder if mgmt will, once again, take the safe route and then have 34/16 permanent A's? Speaking of wearing the A, you have gotta believe Mitch will use that as a HUGE bargaining chip next summer. Giving Nylander that big deal when he rarely wears the A is a major advantage for Marner's camp come bargaining time.
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 9, 2024 11:51:06 GMT -5
Ok so the theme for the next year is going to be Mitch Marner and what his new contract will look like. Technically the leafs can't offer a new contract intill July 1 2024 and between now and then the leafs go through the playoffs again. I believe Mitch Marner's new contract will based largely on how he preforms in this years playoffs. If he does well and the leafs do well there will be alot of pressure to sign him regardless of the cost. However what happens if he doesn't have a good playoffs (Stinks or just disappears ) what happens then. How do the leafs justify to the fan base offering him a 12 million, or higher contract. Stay tuned things could get very interesting.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 9, 2024 11:51:10 GMT -5
11.5 is the price you pay for not getting it done in the summer but that no movement for eight years will ultimately be the fly in the ointment. Yes, the cap keeps going up but you are so right bc the big boys just keep taking a bigger piece of the pie every da*n time and Mitch will get 12 and a NM clause as well. You 100% know that. Marner getting 12 Million hmmmm, that one I have a problem with. Marner is an interesting player, talented to be sure but one wonders just how he would be viewed if he did not have Matthews to pass to. I think he would be consider a good NHL winger, probably a very good winger, but at the same time he wouldn’t be a 10.9 million dollar, nor a 12 million dollar player. If 12 million is Marner price I say let him walk and use the savings to sign a couple of good free agent defensemen. Hey im not saying hes worth 12M but its not what youre worth. Its what the market perceives youre worth and he has been seen as an elite player for years with uncanny Ipassing ability. Add in hes in the biggest hockey market in the universe and that merely adds to his price tag. i would love for mgmt to finally get tough but its not their style so i'd be completely shocked if they changed course now.
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Post by TMan on Jan 9, 2024 12:11:05 GMT -5
34,16 and 88 are elite players and I’m glad they are Leafs. Next season will be another “grab what you can for cheap” type of roster. After that maybe the cap jam gets a bit better with JT making less and cap predictions hold true. Another intangible is whether Woll can be the real deal for many seasons and if Bert and Domi want to stay Leafs they will need to eat a little salary. They’ve just been ok imo.
As far as a new Captain goes I’d be fine with Rielly as well as long as egos weren’t bruised to badly. JT has been good. He leads by his work ethic but I’d like to see more fire in a Captain. Not sure this bunch has enough fire to carry the team to the ultimate heights but we won’t find out til it happens.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 9, 2024 12:33:43 GMT -5
...if Bert and Domi want to stay Leafs they will need to eat a little salary. Not sure this bunch has enough fire to carry the team to the ultimate heights but we won’t find out til it happens. They wouldnt be the first to use the profile of this team to jump into more money down the road. Many 'love' this team but loyalty fades fast when they see $ signs before their eyes. Theyve been v.g. some nights but also invisible for many so I dont care about if they walk esp if that means more cash. Nobody on this roster has the guts to make a real difference or we wouldnt have one series win in 8 years. Maybe we'll have a legit leader with the next gen.
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 9, 2024 14:46:52 GMT -5
I was doing some morning reading and came across a couple of fun facts. The Winnipeg Jets are the best team in the NHL currently and they don't have any players making over 8 million. The current champions, Las Vegas has one player at the 10 million dollar mark. The Leafs have 4 players at 10 million plus. Does it mean anything, I don't know, but it's interesting. It seems to me Treliving is less focused on winning a Stanley Cup and more focused on making 3 players happy. Priorities?
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Post by hobie on Jan 9, 2024 17:17:49 GMT -5
What would be the alternatives to paying these guys, having long miserable regular seasons as was the case before we had these guys, having more $s to spend on more players like Bertuzzi, Domi, Klingberg, etc. The entire logic of signing the core guys to contracts they deserve is in conjunction with non pandemic years in the future so that the contracts take up less space on the Cap freeing up $s to build up the rest of the roster into a proper Cup support roster.
3/4 players aren't enough, on their own, to win Cups, we've seen that, after 8 years we all should know that. During that time we've also seen decent free agents go elsewhere, a Canadian disadvantage, maybe now TO will be able to sign decent players instead of what we have now such as Bert, Domi, etc. because if the Cap does actually go up quickly TO might end up with the funds to overpay FAs as Cdn. teams seem to have to.
The Stone trade to Vegas, what did Ottawa get from that, Erik Brannstrom, Oscar Lindberg and a 2020 second-round pick, if you trade the best player in a trade you lose the trade, your team also continues to suffer or actually gets worse, there are many other examples of this kind of return for quality players and TO like all Cdn. teams is on many/most NTC/limited NTC.
What really hurt was that TO signed JT and he's aging out of his absolute prime, him where he was when TO signed him plus the rest of the core surrounded by quality support might have meant a far different result, we'll never know, too bad.
What we need to hope for is that Trev. has enough time left in the core 3's years to build a better roster with a better future.
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Post by Barilko on Jan 9, 2024 17:18:33 GMT -5
It's interesting to read all these comments on 8 years being too long. I recall back in the summer, we were all worried that Matthews only signed for 4 years.
I'm definitely okay with Nylander signing for 8 years, it speaks to his having a sense of commitment to the team. Lest we forget, he's also the one who has shown that he can produce in the playoffs as well.
If Marner wants something "well north of 11.5m", as far as I'm concerned he can go play somewhere "well south of Toronto".
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Post by Gerard on Jan 9, 2024 19:04:10 GMT -5
It's interesting to read all these comments on 8 years being too long. I recall back in the summer, we were all worried that Matthews only signed for 4 years. Lest we forget, he's also the one who has shown that he can produce in the playoffs as well. If Marner wants something "well north of 11.5m", as far as I'm concerned he can go play somewhere "well south of Toronto". Im glad its 8 years and wish Matthews had done it as well. The others have faltered various years but 88 is ready to go come G1. Yer preachin' to the choir Alan.
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