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Post by kazzie on Jan 10, 2024 10:55:26 GMT -5
The Leafs have recalled Ilya Samsonov and have sent Dennis Hildeby to the Marlies. What???
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Post by capncrunch44 on Jan 10, 2024 11:53:36 GMT -5
The only part of this whole thing with Sammy that I understand is that he's not there mentally this year. His 10 days with the Marlies was only supposed to be him and the goalie coach, 1-on-1 working through some finer mental details. He practiced with the Marlies team yesterday, and gets to rejoin the Leafs today.
I can only assume that the mental shackles that were hindering him, have been overcome or enough progress was made to integrate him back with the team.
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Post by kazzie on Jan 10, 2024 12:05:16 GMT -5
The only part of this whole thing with Sammy that I understand is that he's not there mentally this year. His 10 days with the Marlies was only supposed to be him and the goalie coach, 1-on-1 working through some finer mental details. He practiced with the Marlies team yesterday, and gets to rejoin the Leafs today.
I can only assume that the mental shackles that were hindering him, have been overcome or enough progress was made to integrate him back with the team.
They fixed him in 10 days? I hope so but I’m not buying it. It’s like putting a drug addict in rehab for 2 weeks and declaring him cured. |
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 10, 2024 12:56:22 GMT -5
The only part of this whole thing with Sammy that I understand is that he's not there mentally this year. His 10 days with the Marlies was only supposed to be him and the goalie coach, 1-on-1 working through some finer mental details. He practiced with the Marlies team yesterday, and gets to rejoin the Leafs today.
I can only assume that the mental shackles that were hindering him, have been overcome or enough progress was made to integrate him back with the team.
They fixed him in 10 days? I hope so but I’m not buying it. It’s like putting a drug addict in rehab for 2 weeks and declaring him cured. I have to agree with Kazzie. Even just working with the goalie coach, I don't think 10 days would fix his issues. |
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 10, 2024 12:56:32 GMT -5
The only part of this whole thing with Sammy that I understand is that he's not there mentally this year. His 10 days with the Marlies was only supposed to be him and the goalie coach, 1-on-1 working through some finer mental details. He practiced with the Marlies team yesterday, and gets to rejoin the Leafs today.
I can only assume that the mental shackles that were hindering him, have been overcome or enough progress was made to integrate him back with the team.
They fixed him in 10 days? I hope so but I’m not buying it. It’s like putting a drug addict in rehab for 2 weeks and declaring him cured. Forgive me for bragging, but it's nice to get one right every now and then. I said in thread for the Sharks game yesterday that Samsonov would be back sooner than later. Okay maybe not this soon, but close enough. My reasoning was Keefe was not impressed by Hildeby and didn't think he could play at this level. My proof was him not playing against the Sharks where we'd normally have expected. Maybe the Leafs will present another story to cover their butts because my next prediction is Hildeby will be the guy thrown in when Treliving makes some sort of trade to strengthen the defense. |
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 10, 2024 13:56:22 GMT -5
They fixed him in 10 days? I hope so but I’m not buying it. It’s like putting a drug addict in rehab for 2 weeks and declaring him cured. Forgive me for bragging, but it's nice to get one right every now and then. I said in thread for the Sharks game yesterday that Samsonov would be back sooner than later. Okay maybe not this soon, but close enough. My reasoning was Keefe was not impressed by Hildeby and didn't think he could play at this level. My proof was him not playing against the Sharks where we'd normally have expected. Maybe the Leafs will present another story to cover their butts because my next prediction is Hildeby will be the guy thrown in when Treliving makes some sort of trade to strengthen the defense. Being a leafs fan for 50 years I understand being cynical towards hyped prospects but I think your being a little unfair about Hildeby, I’ve heard nothing negative coming from Keefe or anybody else in the leafs organization. What I have heard is the leafs are quite high on Hildeby but believe he is not ready for the NHL yet, so sending him down to get more experience and work on things sounds reasonable. Personally it wouldn’t surprise me if Hildeby is back with the Marlies next year with Jones backing Woll in till they think he is ready, but if you give up on him now you may end up eating crow later |
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Post by capncrunch44 on Jan 10, 2024 14:07:47 GMT -5
The only part of this whole thing with Sammy that I understand is that he's not there mentally this year. His 10 days with the Marlies was only supposed to be him and the goalie coach, 1-on-1 working through some finer mental details. He practiced with the Marlies team yesterday, and gets to rejoin the Leafs today.
I can only assume that the mental shackles that were hindering him, have been overcome or enough progress was made to integrate him back with the team.
They fixed him in 10 days? I hope so but I’m not buying it. It’s like putting a drug addict in rehab for 2 weeks and declaring him cured.
The written word is so devoid of emotion and sarcasm. 
Unless they hypnotized him and have him convinced he's Martin Brodeur, Dominik Hasek and Johnny Bower all rolled into one, he's still the same.
I can't remember which player it was years ago, but he took a hit and was feeling a little woozy. Trainer tells the coach the player doesn't know where he is or what his name is. The coach says, tell him he's Wayne Gretzky and get him back on the ice.
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 10, 2024 15:31:09 GMT -5
Forgive me for bragging, but it's nice to get one right every now and then. I said in thread for the Sharks game yesterday that Samsonov would be back sooner than later. Okay maybe not this soon, but close enough. My reasoning was Keefe was not impressed by Hildeby and didn't think he could play at this level. My proof was him not playing against the Sharks where we'd normally have expected. Maybe the Leafs will present another story to cover their butts because my next prediction is Hildeby will be the guy thrown in when Treliving makes some sort of trade to strengthen the defense. Being a leafs fan for 50 years I understand being cynical towards hyped prospects but I think your being a little unfair about Hildeby, I’ve heard nothing negative coming from Keefe or anybody else in the leafs organization. What I have heard is the leafs are quite high on Hildeby but believe he is not ready for the NHL yet, so sending him down to get more experience and work on things sounds reasonable. Personally it wouldn’t surprise me if Hildeby is back with the Marlies next year with Jones backing Woll in till they think he is ready, but if you give up on him now you may end up eating crow later I've been a Leaf fan for 60 years and personally I've never been cynical toward any hyped Leaf prospect. My cynicism over the years is exclusively towards Leaf management and coaching. Like you I've seen some great players come up and wear the Leaf jersey and I've been excited by everyone of them. Regarding Hildeby, Keefe clearly didn't like what he was seeing in practice, Maybe he didn't move from side to side fast enough or his reflexes weren't quick enough, I don't know, that's in house stuff they don't talk about. I think Keefe made it clear to Treliving that he did not want to play the guy in any of the next 3 games. Keefe obviously felt more comfortable with a very shaky Samsonov and that speaks volumes about Hildeby at this point. I feel in Treliving's eyes, Hildeby may have gone from pretty much untouchable to a tradeable asset. But obviously it's just a hunch, based on my own interpretation of events. By the way, over the years I've been forced to eat a lot of crow as a leaf fan. |
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Post by capncrunch44 on Jan 10, 2024 15:51:33 GMT -5
Being a leafs fan for 50 years I understand being cynical towards hyped prospects but I think your being a little unfair about Hildeby, I’ve heard nothing negative coming from Keefe or anybody else in the leafs organization. What I have heard is the leafs are quite high on Hildeby but believe he is not ready for the NHL yet, so sending him down to get more experience and work on things sounds reasonable. Personally it wouldn’t surprise me if Hildeby is back with the Marlies next year with Jones backing Woll in till they think he is ready, but if you give up on him now you may end up eating crow later I've been a Leaf fan for 60 years and personally I've never been cynical toward any hyped Leaf prospect. My cynicism over the years is exclusively towards Leaf management and coaching. Like you I've seen some great players come up and wear the Leaf jersey and I've been excited by everyone of them. Regarding Hildeby, Keefe clearly didn't like what he was seeing in practice, Maybe he didn't move from side to side fast enough or his reflexes weren't quick enough, I don't know, that's in house stuff they don't talk about. I think Keefe made it clear to Treliving that he did not want to play the guy in any of the next 3 games. Keefe obviously felt more comfortable with a very shaky Samsonov and that speaks volumes about Hildeby at this point. I feel in Treliving's eyes, Hildeby may have gone from pretty much untouchable to a tradeable asset. But obviously it's just a hunch, based on my own interpretation of events. By the way, over the years I've been forced to eat a lot of crow as a leaf fan. I don't know why I hear Ferguson Jr. convincing Boston to take Rask instead of Pogge. Hildeby (The Hildebeast) is scouted and rated as a 2B goalie. If the highlights I've of seen of his play are any indication he's no Jonas "Monster" Gustavsson (all hype, no NHL substance) As the Leafs haven't had any high success since Potvin of having their own drafted goaltenders in the system I am hoping the new coaching that Dubas started and Treliving has supported do a good job and every goalie prospect makes the NHL either as a Leaf or becomes a valuable trade asset toward another team. This road starts with Joseph Woll and the hope for a Ullmark/Swayman type tandem of tenders.
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 10, 2024 16:24:39 GMT -5
I've been a Leaf fan for 60 years and personally I've never been cynical toward any hyped Leaf prospect. My cynicism over the years is exclusively towards Leaf management and coaching. Like you I've seen some great players come up and wear the Leaf jersey and I've been excited by everyone of them. Regarding Hildeby, Keefe clearly didn't like what he was seeing in practice, Maybe he didn't move from side to side fast enough or his reflexes weren't quick enough, I don't know, that's in house stuff they don't talk about. I think Keefe made it clear to Treliving that he did not want to play the guy in any of the next 3 games. Keefe obviously felt more comfortable with a very shaky Samsonov and that speaks volumes about Hildeby at this point. I feel in Treliving's eyes, Hildeby may have gone from pretty much untouchable to a tradeable asset. But obviously it's just a hunch, based on my own interpretation of events. By the way, over the years I've been forced to eat a lot of crow as a leaf fan. I don't know why I hear Ferguson Jr. convincing Boston to take Rask instead of Pogge. Hildeby (The Hildebeast) is scouted and rated as a 2B goalie. If the highlights I've of seen of his play are any indication he's no Jonas "Monster" Gustavsson (all hype, no NHL substance) As the Leafs haven't had any high success since Potvin of having their own drafted goaltenders in the system I am hoping the new coaching that Dubas started and Treliving has supported do a good job and every goalie prospect makes the NHL either as a Leaf or becomes a valuable trade asset toward another team. This road starts with Joseph Woll and the hope for a Ullmark/Swayman type tandem of tenders.
Hey being a leafs fan and eat Crow. Been there done that! Still let’s hope for all the long long long suffering leafs fans that your wrong about Hildeby |
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 10, 2024 16:35:05 GMT -5
I don't know why I hear Ferguson Jr. convincing Boston to take Rask instead of Pogge. Hildeby (The Hildebeast) is scouted and rated as a 2B goalie. If the highlights I've of seen of his play are any indication he's no Jonas "Monster" Gustavsson (all hype, no NHL substance) As the Leafs haven't had any high success since Potvin of having their own drafted goaltenders in the system I am hoping the new coaching that Dubas started and Treliving has supported do a good job and every goalie prospect makes the NHL either as a Leaf or becomes a valuable trade asset toward another team. This road starts with Joseph Woll and the hope for a Ullmark/Swayman type tandem of tenders.
Hey being a leafs fan and eat Crow. Been there done that! Still let’s hope for all the long long long suffering leafs fans that your wrong about Hildeby I'm still hoping Woll will be the answer. If he can just stay healthy. Unfortunately, with the Marlies and the Leafs he seems somewhat fragile so far. I'm hoping it's just bad luck and he stays healthy for a good long time as a Leaf. |
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Post by TMan on Jan 10, 2024 17:13:33 GMT -5
Keefe may have just been trying to protect Hildeby. Jones was hot, felt he could play a back to back and he has been stellar over the last four games. The Atlantic is a tough division. Points are paramount. I’m with Keefe all the way on how he handled Hildeby. Now the Samsonov recall has me concerned. I hope Sammy's head has cleared and he’s focused but I guess we’ll see.
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Post by TMan on Jan 11, 2024 12:16:28 GMT -5
There is some speculation that Jonesie gets the net tonight and Saturday. Hildeby plays Friday with the Marlies and may get the call to go Sunday against the Wings. While that might be good to see it doesn’t solve a da*n thing with regards to Sammy. I have 0 faith in Sammy right now but wtf do the Leafs do here?? Do you bury Sammy in the minors never to be seen again like Campbell? Do you play Hildeby and run the risk of ruining him if the support isn’t there? Do you give Sammy another shot in the NHL and hope the team can cover for him and get him some confidence? While the Leafs are in a decent spot in the standings there are too many teams nipping at their heels. Does BT use Klingberg money to find another tender or find another dman? I’ll feel a lot better if they can just ride Jonesie for as long as they can until Woll gets back. Hildeby’s numbers in the AHL are good but not sure those numbers translate to the NHL. Always some kind of drama in LN😁
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 11, 2024 12:49:03 GMT -5
There is some speculation that Jonesie gets the net tonight and Saturday. Hildeby plays Friday with the Marlies and may get the call to go Sunday against the Wings. While that might be good to see it doesn’t solve a da*n thing with regards to Sammy. I have 0 faith in Sammy right now but wtf do the Leafs do here?? Do you bury Sammy in the minors never to be seen again like Campbell? Do you play Hildeby and run the risk of ruining him if the support isn’t there? Do you give Sammy another shot in the NHL and hope the team can cover for him and get him some confidence? While the Leafs are in a decent spot in the standings there are too many teams nipping at their heels. Does BT use Klingberg money to find another tender or find another dman? I’ll feel a lot better if they can just ride Jonesie for as long as they can until Woll gets back. Hildeby’s numbers in the AHL are good but not sure those numbers translate to the NHL. Always some kind of drama in LN😁 I think you're right about Jones playing a lot. I don't know how many back to back's the Leafs have beyond Sunday, but I'd say play him every game otherwise, till Woll gets back. |
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 11, 2024 12:55:11 GMT -5
I also think Jones should have the net as much as possible. He's a good vet, so he might be able to handle the back to back. I have 0 confidence in Samsonov.
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