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Post by jayleaf on Jan 17, 2024 14:19:28 GMT -5
What a disappointment. No excuse losing that way. I'm not mad, just sad and disappointed. In my book, both Bertuzzi and Brodie aren't worth more than a bag of pucks. Brodie has gone down hill this season, and Bertuzzi isn't worth the hype written about him. Did any of you see Overdrive where they said Brodie isn't good? Gerard, I feel so bad for your son having to sit through that loss. You guys are probably going to take my head for this. I've been thinking something lately. It kills me when the Leafs don't make the playoffs, but maybe it would be good if they did miss them this year. Losing the playoff shot this year might just wake up some of the players so they do better next season. I understand what your saying Pam, but honestly missing the playoffs won't have any effect on the players. They are what they are and that won't change next season or the season after. However missing the playoffs might finally motivate the top brass to move on from Shanahan and Keefe and possibly Treliving and take this franchise in a new direction. I completely understand however, it will be a slow process because of the horrific contracts the club is stuck with. But the Leafs have to rebuild, this time solidifying the goalkeeping and building an elite defense first.
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 17, 2024 14:24:50 GMT -5
What a disappointment. No excuse losing that way. I'm not mad, just sad and disappointed. In my book, both Bertuzzi and Brodie aren't worth more than a bag of pucks. Brodie has gone down hill this season, and Bertuzzi isn't worth the hype written about him. Did any of you see Overdrive where they said Brodie isn't good? Gerard, I feel so bad for your son having to sit through that loss. You guys are probably going to take my head for this. I've been thinking something lately. It kills me when the Leafs don't make the playoffs, but maybe it would be good if they did miss them this year. Losing the playoff shot this year might just wake up some of the players so they do better next season. I understand what your saying Pam, but honestly missing the playoffs won't have any effect on the players. They are what they are and that won't change next season or the season after. However missing the playoffs might finally motivate the top brass to move on from Shanahan and Keefe and possibly Treliving and take this franchise in a new direction. I completely understand however, it will be a slow process because of the horrific contracts the club is stuck with. But the Leafs have to rebuild, this time solidifying the goalkeeping and building an elite defense first. I understand you too. I was just thinking this team has never faced that adversity and that maybe it would wake up at least part of the players.
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Post by kazzie on Jan 17, 2024 15:56:28 GMT -5
What a disappointment. No excuse losing that way. I'm not mad, just sad and disappointed. In my book, both Bertuzzi and Brodie aren't worth more than a bag of pucks. Brodie has gone down hill this season, and Bertuzzi isn't worth the hype written about him. Did any of you see Overdrive where they said Brodie isn't good? Gerard, I feel so bad for your son having to sit through that loss. You guys are probably going to take my head for this. I've been thinking something lately. It kills me when the Leafs don't make the playoffs, but maybe it would be good if they did miss them this year. Losing the playoff shot this year might just wake up some of the players so they do better next season. If anybody takes your head off for this Pam then they haven’t been watching this version of the Leafs. I’m thinking along the same line. Nothing that they have done recently fills me with confidence that they can make noise in the playoffs. Missing the playoffs might be the best thing that can happen to this group.
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 17, 2024 16:26:30 GMT -5
I understand what your saying Pam, but honestly missing the playoffs won't have any effect on the players. They are what they are and that won't change next season or the season after. However missing the playoffs might finally motivate the top brass to move on from Shanahan and Keefe and possibly Treliving and take this franchise in a new direction. I completely understand however, it will be a slow process because of the horrific contracts the club is stuck with. But the Leafs have to rebuild, this time solidifying the goalkeeping and building an elite defense first. I understand you too. I was just thinking this team has never faced that adversity and that maybe it would wake up at least part of the players. That could be and I hope your right, but getting knocked out of the playoffs in the first round virtually every year never seemed to have any impact on the core four and too be honest after them there isn't really a whole lot of talent on this club this year. Other years they were able to grab some players cheap who got the job done pretty well, but this year Toronto's luck has run out in that regard. The guys Treliving brought in have all been busts, with the exception of Domi and Benoit who are doing alright. Knies will hopefully be an impact player in the future, but not yet. Defensively this group isn't going to carry the Leafs into the promised land. Most of them are 5th and 6th pairing and some wouldn't be on the ice for some of the elite teams. This team goes as far as the core four carries it and the last six years have shown that's not good enough.
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Post by stugats1 on Jan 17, 2024 16:29:26 GMT -5
Yeah if they don't make the playoffs the brass has to be cleaned out. It also saves me the stress of another first round game 7 loss
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 17, 2024 16:44:01 GMT -5
I hear what you are saying Jay. But being in the 1st round and losing doesn't have the same impact as not making the playoffs at all. Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Rielly, I think it would bother them, or at least bother Matthews and Rielly.
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Post by Barilko on Jan 17, 2024 17:01:11 GMT -5
No, Mitch. You're NOT "doing the right things". If you were, you wouldn't be mired in this losing streak and in danger of dropping out of the playoff picture.
If I am Keefe, Shanny or Treliving, I'm deeply concerned by those remarks. A guy we're paying $11m per year is not just showing a lack of basic accountability -- he's broadcasting it. It's a sad statement on the current culture in that dressing room, as well as the fact that nobody in a responsible position seems inclined to do anything about it.
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Post by stugats1 on Jan 17, 2024 17:33:13 GMT -5
So true Barilko. I think because of his status in room he could be a problem
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Post by kazzie on Jan 17, 2024 17:35:19 GMT -5
No, Mitch. You're NOT "doing the right things". If you were, you wouldn't be mired in this losing streak and in danger of dropping out of the playoff picture. If I am Keefe, Shanny or Treliving, I'm deeply concerned by those remarks. A guy we're paying $11m per year is not just showing a lack of basic accountability -- he's broadcasting it. It's a sad statement on the current culture in that dressing room, as well as the fact that nobody in a responsible position seems inclined to do anything about it. And no Mitch you are not a great hockey team. And as far as “we show it every night” he must be watching a different team than we have been watching. Nobody on the team has any backbone whatsoever. Tavares gets ragdolled last night and neither he or anyone else does anything. Matthews gets cross checked into the boards by Manson the other night and nobody does anything. They are SOFT!! And everyone that we play knows it. And you’re right Barilko, it’s a sad statement of the current culture.
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Post by hobie on Jan 17, 2024 18:04:40 GMT -5
I think TO will make the playoffs, be shocked if they don't.
I hated Hy playing on the 1st line when he first played for TO, sure would love to have him now on any line.
What I see is TO trying to defend it's lead rather than continue to attack, TO's d-men struggle so defending a lead isn't any sort of proper winning strategy for this team, when we listen to Keefe he says the same thing, TO needs to outscore it's problems. Any deviation from attacking is a losing venue and it always looks that after TO builds a lead the attack turns off? Why, not a coaching issue, the coach understands what he has and wants the team to build on what it's good at.
In the 1st period TO was being overwhelmed by Edmonton, Gio was guarding the nonissue side of TO's end, a puck was passed to an Ed. player in Gio's area but Gio kept watching the action instead of ensuring his area remained issue free, Ed. didn't score but a 20 year vet hasn't the head or wheels to be successful anymore. Brodie can't defend anymore, Lilly, not sure what he's doing, McCabe, I like his tools just not keen on how he uses them, this is not a d corp that anyone should rely on to defend the team's path to victory.
Kyper and Bourne today talked about TO's inability to pass, I think that is a personnel issue, Matthews is the most glaring example, he's a great scorer but his passing ability sucks, he wants to be the best he can be as evidenced by his obvious commitment to defence, he just doesn't have Marner's passing ability. TO other top center also can't pass, TO needs actual centers, I think Domi and Nylander should be TO's centers until better options surface. My concept of a center is someone that can make his linemates better, Matthews' FO record from last night 17 FOs, 7 Wins.
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Post by mokole on Jan 17, 2024 21:25:28 GMT -5
Leafs will make the playoffs, no reason why they won't, injuries not an issue, Jones and Woll are giving them goaltending not too far off Andersen. Make the playoffs, then we 'll see how things go.
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Post by Gerard on Jan 18, 2024 7:39:44 GMT -5
I am not thinking the playoffs are a lock at all. Teams know we are vulnerable and attack us relentlessly waiting for the inevitable crack to break wide open. We all know the mental strength of the team is minimal so if the boys get back a few spots out of the playoffs I doubt they have enough to turn it around. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not betting against it.
Then, again, maybe a struggle and to be looking up at the playoffs is exactly what this bunch needs. Maybe it will make many realize they arent working as hard as they think they are and it will jumpstart them into a different mindset...lets hope.
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Post by finnmccool on Jan 18, 2024 10:38:58 GMT -5
Leafs will make the playoffs, no reason why they won't, injuries not an issue, Jones and Woll are giving them goaltending not too far off Andersen. Make the playoffs, then we 'll see how things go. I like the optimism approach, unfortunately injuries are not an issue intill they are an issue. Imagine Matthews, Marner or Nylander going down for the rest of the season. If any of those 3 go down it will be time brake out the white flags.
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Post by kazzie on Jan 18, 2024 12:41:16 GMT -5
After coaching these guys for 42 games and still not being able to figure out who to trust in pivotal parts of the game does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Keefe. Seriously…. in 42 games you still don't know?
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 18, 2024 13:40:58 GMT -5
Yesterday there was a video on TSN with Marner. Title began with him being pissed. I watched it and I got pissed off. Marner pissed off? Marner thinks they have a great team? HA! WHAT A LAUGH! And he says he doesn't listen to the outside? If Marner was really pissed off he would start playing like a mature NHL player all the time. As for a great team, no they aren't. What coolaid has he been drinking. As for not listening to the outside, is he afraid to hear the truth.
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