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Post by jermz on Jan 31, 2024 9:28:41 GMT -5
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Post by kazzie on Jan 31, 2024 10:03:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the article Jeremy. I’m not sure Walker is that much of a needle mover or is worth our 2024 1st or a prospect like Cowan or Minten.
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 31, 2024 14:09:40 GMT -5
I am totally against using Minton, Cowan or our 2024 1st round pick. Dubas traded away the Leafs future every season he was GM. I don't want any more of that.
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Post by jayleaf on Jan 31, 2024 14:34:15 GMT -5
I am totally against using Minton, Cowan or our 2024 1st round pick. Dubas traded away the Leafs future every season he was GM. I don't want any more of that. Agree 100% with you Pam. Minton and Cowan should be untouchable and there's no way the Leafs should give up a 1st round pick again. By the way I was reading the other day, Cowan is tearing it up with the London Knights right now. It looks like he's staking a claim for a roster spot with Toronto next season, though I know he's still eligible for another season with the Knights. I don't want to get my hopes too high, but it looks like the Leafs made a great decision drafting him when they did. By the way the London Knights are my hometown team and look to be making run at the Memorial Cup this season. That would give Cowan a chance to really get some big game experience. |
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Post by Leafs_Pam on Jan 31, 2024 16:03:54 GMT -5
I am totally against using Minton, Cowan or our 2024 1st round pick. Dubas traded away the Leafs future every season he was GM. I don't want any more of that. Agree 100% with you Pam. Minton and Cowan should be untouchable and there's no way the Leafs should give up a 1st round pick again. By the way I was reading the other day, Cowan is tearing it up with the London Knights right now. It looks like he's staking a claim for a roster spot with Toronto next season, though I know he's still eligible for another season with the Knights. I don't want to get my hopes too high, but it looks like the Leafs made a great decision drafting him when they did. By the way the London Knights are my hometown team and look to be making run at the Memorial Cup this season. That would give Cowan a chance to really get some big game experience. Cool! I hope the Knights win for you and Cowan. |
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Post by stugats1 on Feb 1, 2024 14:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah I'm tired of giving up 2st rd picks for guys who come, play a handful of games then walks as Ufa. O'Reilly n Foligno are 2 that come to mind. So big no onTanev for me. And others
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Post by hobie on Feb 1, 2024 15:33:57 GMT -5
Having Matthews, Nylander and Marner, all in their prime is a special thing and we know altho they are great players they aren't enough to push TO all the way to the Cup. What's more important winning the Cup now with them still in their prime or keeping low 1st round draft choices or possible special prospects for the future?
I think that every year that passes with them means TO will now start distancing itself from being a true contender, JT and his declining results is a reminder of how aging can negatively affect a player and a team, does everyone want TO to ensure that TO can continue being average or slightly above or do we want them to go for it all, now, while it still might be possible.
I say "NOW".
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Post by stugats1 on Feb 1, 2024 21:07:09 GMT -5
If we were one or 2 guys away from a cup contender I'd be all in. But our stars as good as they are collectively they are easily beat in playoffs. As is the team. One or 2 solid players in my opinion isn't getting us over hump. We did all we could at deadline and although won a round were taken out in 5 by Florida
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 1, 2024 22:58:17 GMT -5
Are we really going down the Matthews, Marner, Nylander are in their prime road again. They've been in their prime for the last 3 or 4 years and each year we pamper them by trading prospects and draft picks for what we hope to be complimentary pieces that would put them over the top only to see them fail miserably. I say stop the madness, no more trading our future. As for Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares it time for them to step up this playoff time prove that they are worthy of these multi million dollar contacts.
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Post by hobie on Feb 2, 2024 0:41:29 GMT -5
Pampering the core, the core has been and continues to be the greatest reason TO can even be considered as a Cup contender or even a team that will make the playoffs. There are numerous teams that spend to the the limit of the Cap but don't even make the playoffs, not even making the playoffs definitely means, no Cup. I was surprised that Trev could add a $4 mil. player and a $5.5 player, that's serious money I didn't think TO could afford, serious money that Dubie never seemed to have, that it was spent so poorly is a different matter but not the core's 3s issue. TO needs more depth, that depth is an issue that Dubie solved with Lybush and other throwaways, Dub always sought to reinforce the d when obviously scoring was the issue, having so few doing all the scoring has been an issue and it seemed Trev got it, he signed 3 players that should/could score instead of expecting the previous core 4 to continue to do all the scoring, he attempted to increase the offensive depth.
I can't say I'm seeing a significant decline in TO's ability to defend without Schenn or Lybush or Foligno or Turtle neck or need I go on, year after year TO didn't have enough offensive firepower to go anywhere, spent valuable possible future assets shoring up a middlin' d with middlin' d, finally Dubie wakes up somewhat and adds a better than middlin' forward, O'Rielly, and look what happens TO wins a round, shouldn't have but did. Gio and Schenn were alright but the true need TO had was quality. that was O'Rielly. What we are seeing is disappointing goaltending, the d blunders as much now as it did last year and last year in the playoffs but the tending was better. Why people were so keen on Shenn, I don't/didn't get.
Forget Tanev, forget Zardov, TO needs quality players now and having that quality into the future is essential. JT and Muzzin were quality adds but they weren't the right ones, it's a chemistry experiment, I'd say TO is backed into a corner this year and next, JT a still good player is being overpaid and because of the Cap TO will have a very tough time adding to the quality depth.
As it's been pointed out Wash. won the Cup after many quality years, many, Ove was well into his 30s, they didn't panic they added and eventually they hit the right formula to win, that's where we are, hopefully.
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Post by Barilko on Feb 2, 2024 22:52:32 GMT -5
Pampering the core, the core has been and continues to be the greatest reason TO can even be considered as a Cup contender or even a team that will make the playoffs. There are numerous teams that spend to the the limit of the Cap but don't even make the playoffs, not even making the playoffs definitely means, no Cup. I was surprised that Trev could add a $4 mil. player and a $5.5 player, that's serious money I didn't think TO could afford, serious money that Dubie never seemed to have, that it was spent so poorly is a different matter but not the core's 3s issue. TO needs more depth, that depth is an issue that Dubie solved with Lybush and other throwaways, Dub always sought to reinforce the d when obviously scoring was the issue, having so few doing all the scoring has been an issue and it seemed Trev got it, he signed 3 players that should/could score instead of expecting the previous core 4 to continue to do all the scoring, he attempted to increase the offensive depth. I can't say I'm seeing a significant decline in TO's ability to defend without Schenn or Lybush or Foligno or Turtle neck or need I go on, year after year TO didn't have enough offensive firepower to go anywhere, spent valuable possible future assets shoring up a middlin' d with middlin' d, finally Dubie wakes up somewhat and adds a better than middlin' forward, O'Rielly, and look what happens TO wins a round, shouldn't have but did. Gio and Schenn were alright but the true need TO had was quality. that was O'Rielly. What we are seeing is disappointing goaltending, the d blunders as much now as it did last year and last year in the playoffs but the tending was better. Why people were so keen on Shenn, I don't/didn't get. Forget Tanev, forget Zardov, TO needs quality players now and having that quality into the future is essential. JT and Muzzin were quality adds but they weren't the right ones, it's a chemistry experiment, I'd say TO is backed into a corner this year and next, JT a still good player is being overpaid and because of the Cap TO will have a very tough time adding to the quality depth. As it's been pointed out Wash. won the Cup after many quality years, many, Ove was well into his 30s, they didn't panic they added and eventually they hit the right formula to win, that's where we are, hopefully. Yes and no. Treliving proved that even with $11 mil plus apportioned to 3 players (4 next year), you can still find ways to add some guys in the $4-5 mil range (as you pointed out, he simply didn't choose wisely where to spend that money). I would actually argue that Dubas consistently got better value with lower-salaried players than Treliving got with what he spent this year; don't forget that Dubas added offensive players along the way as well (Bunting and Hyman come to mind), and got a lot more bang for the buck than we're seeing with Bertuzzi, Domi, Klingberg et al. The reality is that the Leafs are no better offensively than they were last year (might even be a bit worse, though career seasons from Matthews and Nylander cover up some of that). But they are noticeably worse defensively -- that's not just a function of failing to replace aging blueliners (Gio and Brodie), it's also a function of replacing departing forwards with guys who are definite liabilities in the defensive zone. That might be somewhat excusable if they were seeing the improvement on offense to compensate that, but they aren't. I do agree that throwing a first round pick at a guy like Tanev or Sean Walker is not a reasonable response to the situation; I would rather pursue a guy like Hanifin, especially if he can be signed long-term. And I also agree that without the core, we would be looking worse than we did in the late 2000s. |
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 2, 2024 23:17:02 GMT -5
I am totally against using Minton, Cowan or our 2024 1st round pick. Dubas traded away the Leafs future every season he was GM. I don't want any more of that. Agree 100% with you Pam. Minton and Cowan should be untouchable and there's no way the Leafs should give up a 1st round pick again. By the way I was reading the other day, Cowan is tearing it up with the London Knights right now. It looks like he's staking a claim for a roster spot with Toronto next season, though I know he's still eligible for another season with the Knights. I don't want to get my hopes too high, but it looks like the Leafs made a great decision drafting him when they did. By the way the London Knights are my hometown team and look to be making run at the Memorial Cup this season. That would give Cowan a chance to really get some big game experience. Your right jayleaf Easton Cowan is tearing it up, he has 10 goals in his last 12 games, and 32 points during a 15-game point streak. So far on the season in 34 games he has 21 goals and 41 assists for and amazing 62 points. His team and yours the London Knights are the hottest team in the OHL and lead the OHL in total points and look like they have as good a chance as any team to go to the Memorial Cup.
A interesting side note to that has Fraser Minten's team the Saskatoon Blades leading the WHL in points and have been practically unbeatable since Minten returned from the World Junior Championships and they have to be one of the favourites to go to the Memorial Cup from the WHL. Speaking of Minten, he got off to a slow. start this year but who could blame him he switch teams 4 times in the first couple of months of the season. First the leafs, then Kamloops before being traded to Saskatoon and then the World Juniors. However since returning from the World Junior's Minten has been moved up from second line centre to number one centre and has gone on a tear of his own 7 goals and 14 points in his last 10 games. It will be interesting to see how this plays out but it would be a blast if both Minten and Cowan faced off against other each in the Memorial Cup.
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 5, 2024 17:37:26 GMT -5
I was thinking about the leafs still being interested in Chris Tanev and the rumor that Calgary wants a second round pick and something else for Tanev. Well how about this to stir the pot. Nick Robertson was a second round pick, would Calgary take Roberson and Roni Hirvonen another second round pick in a trade for Chris Tanev.
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Post by Barilko on Feb 5, 2024 18:51:27 GMT -5
I was thinking about the leafs still being interested in Chris Tanev and the rumor that Calgary wants a second round pick and something else for Tanev. Well how about this to stir the pot. Nick Robertson was a second round pick, would Calgary take Roberson and Roni Hirvonen another second round pick in a trade for Chris Tanev. I wouldn't be in a rush to trade Robertson. Given the Leafs' cap situation, they are going to need guys like him around -- middle-six forwards who will (at least in the short term) be fairly inexpensive and can provide some scoring depth. |
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Post by TMan on Feb 6, 2024 15:42:33 GMT -5
Yeah I can’t help think Robertson can still be the player we’d hoped he’d be. Great release and shoots at every opportunity instead of looking for other options. The list of players this team has traded that have gone on to be solid players is lengthy. The thinking that a Cup is just a trade away this season is absurd.
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