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Post by rookster95 on Feb 11, 2024 23:28:07 GMT -5
the leafs should get rid of marner hes way overpaid and getting rid of him would free up some capitol to go towards a solid defence .also marner is responsible for way to many turnovers and also he tries to mimic the workhorse Auston Matthews which is quite a joke when you watch marner back off way too many times so he wont get hurt going into the boards and as a result the opposing team always wins out on such plays. and there really is no comparison of marner to mattthews as we all know that matthews takes the game head on wherever he is on the ice. if marner wants to stay with the leafs and keep getting paid that kind of money he better start playing some real head on hockey. hes not a great hockey player he costs his team too many losses . the two best players on the leafs are matthews and reilly who are both workhorses. also maybe the owners of the Toronto Maple Leafs should seriously consider getting rid of Shanahan and seriously streamline the management of the leafs. the leafs management has been far too long their major problem.
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Post by stugats1 on Feb 12, 2024 10:47:31 GMT -5
While I definitely would entertain this thought, I doubt the Leafs would. Probably never get fair value back..
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Post by jayleaf on Feb 12, 2024 11:17:03 GMT -5
While I definitely would entertain this thought, I doubt the Leafs would. Probably never get fair value back.. I believe the decision's already been made. When BT signed Nylander it pretty much eliminated any chance Marner would be back unless he signed for a fraction of his true value. I don't think Marner is stupid so that won't happen. I happen to like Marner and I will always have pleasant memories of his playmaking skills. I'm sure he'll go on and probably win a cup or two after leaving Toronto. I guess the only real question is whether he'll agree to a trade sometime next season so the Toronto can get something for him. I'm sure Marner being a local boy, enjoyed playing for the Leafs, but it's a business and both sides honored their contracts and owe each other nothing.
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 12, 2024 11:41:22 GMT -5
While I definitely would entertain this thought, I doubt the Leafs would. Probably never get fair value back.. That’s the question isn’t it fair value and what is fair value verses how is Mitch Marner viewed through out the rest NHL. We leafs fan generally think Marner has an elite talent who if traded would bring back a boat load. Remember prior to signing William Nylander the leafs asked around the league for what they would get for him if traded and it was disided they would not get fair value and desided based on this to sign him to his new contract. With Marner we know it is highly unlikely he will be traded before the summer as most of the teams in contention are capped out. Also lets not forget Marner has a no trade clause in his contract too so he would have to agree to being traded. Let’s play devil’s advocate here, what happens if Marner refuses to wave his no trade clause. What do the leafs do, pay him his 12 million plus per year as has been speculated, or do the unthinkable and let him walk.
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Post by jayleaf on Feb 12, 2024 12:21:47 GMT -5
While I definitely would entertain this thought, I doubt the Leafs would. Probably never get fair value back.. Let’s play devil’s advocate here, what happens if Marner refuses to wave his no trade clause. What do the leafs do, pay him his 12 million plus per year as has been speculated, or do the unthinkable and let him walk. What would your answer be?
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 12, 2024 14:23:39 GMT -5
Let’s play devil’s advocate here, what happens if Marner refuses to wave his no trade clause. What do the leafs do, pay him his 12 million plus per year as has been speculated, or do the unthinkable and let him walk. What would your answer be? Sure jayleaf, I've given this alot of thought over the last year or two and have gone back and forth over which of the two, Mitch Marner or William Nylander should the leafs move It's was not a easy choice both will go down as great leafs but Nylander aways seemed (at least to me) to out perform Marner in games that really mattered, plus Marner is so reliant on Matthews where as Nylander often can do it on his own. Would I let Marner walk if he refused to wave his no trade contract, yes I would. To me it not so much how can the leafs afford to let Marner go but more the flexibility that will come with the addition 11 million dollars, the being able to add good quality free agents allowing the leafs to bring depth both to their offence and defense to compliment the elite players Matthews Nylander and Rielly.
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Post by TMan on Feb 12, 2024 14:36:23 GMT -5
I just don’t see Marner going anywhere. The uproar from LN would be fierce. I see them waiting out Tavares before trading Marner. You think the Leafs get laughed at a lot now? Just let Marner walk for nothing and listen to the haters. I’m not saying trading him wouldn’t ease the cap burden and stock the cupboard because it would solve a lot of issues but he loves being a Leaf and management has allowed him to be in the drivers seat.
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Post by finnmccool on Feb 12, 2024 17:08:49 GMT -5
I just don’t see Marner going anywhere. The uproar from LN would be fierce. I see them waiting out Tavares before trading Marner. You think the Leafs get laughed at a lot now? Just let Marner walk for nothing and listen to the haters. I’m not saying trading him wouldn’t ease the cap burden and stock the cupboard because it would solve a lot of issues but he loves being a Leaf and management has allowed him to be in the drivers seat. Sorry Tman I don't give a frig about non leaf fans laughing at them, the poor saps are just bitter becuase they will never get the unique pleasure of yelling GO LEAFS GO !
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Post by TMan on Feb 12, 2024 18:20:22 GMT -5
I just don’t see Marner going anywhere. The uproar from LN would be fierce. I see them waiting out Tavares before trading Marner. You think the Leafs get laughed at a lot now? Just let Marner walk for nothing and listen to the haters. I’m not saying trading him wouldn’t ease the cap burden and stock the cupboard because it would solve a lot of issues but he loves being a Leaf and management has allowed him to be in the drivers seat. Sorry Tman I don't give a frig about non leaf fans laughing at them, the poor saps are just bitter becuase they will never get the unique pleasure of yelling GO LEAFS GO ! Well for me that’s the part I hate about being a Leaf fan. Having to take sh*t from haters and it’s rare I have any ammo to fire back with because of this dysfunctional franchise. For every step forward they find a way to go 3 back. Frustrating af. They will not let Marner walk and Marner won’t agree to a trade. I’ve been wrong many times and I very well could be wrong here but I just can’t see it. We finally ice a team with grade A talent and because of the cap and greed they can’t afford Grade B talent.
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Post by Gerard on Feb 13, 2024 16:08:04 GMT -5
Mgmt has never taken a stand and Marner wont be any different. It would upset the 'apple cart' far too much. $12M a year is a cinch.
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Post by hobie on Feb 13, 2024 23:57:51 GMT -5
TO makes the playoffs year after year, the only reason TO does make the playoffs is because of the core 4 plus Rielly, the rest of the roster is fill. Marner is a perennial All-Star winger or there abouts, what's the problem with paying a player what he's worth, every year?
We've seen years with out the core 4, they were bleak yet TO spent to the Cap limit, could've spent loads of $s on UFAs but they didn't want to play in TO, Stamkos turned down $13 mil. per, as per the rumor, signed with TB for $8.5 per instead.
We've been treated to good times and high expectations and we actually have quality players that want to play for TO, ya, we should complain?
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Post by TMan on Feb 14, 2024 8:11:00 GMT -5
Making the playoffs is great. Winning more than one round would be greater. Instead of inching the way closer to a Cup run this season they’ve gone backwards. Cap dollars are harder to find so the quality of support players is harder to find too. Not saying it can’t be done but it’s just harder finding the right mix.
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Post by hobie on Feb 14, 2024 23:33:27 GMT -5
Life is tough, the powers that be need to make the right moves not just any move like the constant Tanev rumor. Who here thinks that Tanev would be enough to make TO a slam dunk Cup contender, if he's not enough then don't waste assets to get a 33 year old with health issues, save those assets for Hanifin, maybe, but then only if he'll resign with TO. Draft choices might never play in TO but Tanev and Hanifin will if traded for. TO hasn't but always should've considered the future in the past when making trades at or around the TDL, Hanifin is a now and future consideration Foligno and Tanev are/were now only.
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Post by stugats1 on Feb 15, 2024 7:59:04 GMT -5
I dont want Tanev. Too expensive for 20 games or so then 6 or 7 playoff games. We added Schenn last year. With others and not enough. Walk away
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